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WTF Unibet please examine this hand! TOTALLY UNREAL!!


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Hi All,

Thought I'd get some opinion on this outrageous hand.

I sit in BB with AQh. 6 players flat call 100chips so I raise to 600 in order to induce the small stack and isolate. Small stack K8h does as I intend and hope for, going Allin. Others fold. CO then finds himself in a position to call an additional 14bb having only flat called, with 34o. He calls (?!!). Fair enough I suppose? I'm sure to have him beat at this point so 4 bet to further isolate him. He calls again, with 34os, hmmmmm. Flop comes, I have top pair + top kicker with heart flush still live. K8 is almost dead and CO has nothing with the flop. I go Allin - CO CALLS - with fecking 34os, on that board!! He hits the Turn (ok then, here we go again I say, not really believing what might come next). Yep you got it, another 4 on the river. He wins, with possible one of THE worst hands Pre, Post Flop and arguably the Turn. 

The only thing I can possible think possessed it to play this way throughout the hand is because it is aware that, as the slightly bigger stack with two players allin, even with the worst possible hand, it knows the software will reward him on the river, as this seems to be a characteristic, time and again. Someone got the odds on each street for this please?

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You got a 55% chance of losing preflop (villain in question got 25% chance of winning). Even on the flop he has about 5% chance of winning. This is quite standard when being up against a fun type of player at the lower stakes, and if you've played a reasonable volume, you'll have experienced this countless time :) If anything, you should be happy about the state of the game :)

Again, I strongly recommend you to take a break, if you're struggling with the mindset. The fact that the only possible explanation you can think of - when someone does a bad call (which is quite common, especially on our site) - is that it's rigged against you, that tells me that you might benefit from some time away from the tables :)

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Sorry stubbe but nothing you have said explains this scenario. It may well have made (3) terrible calls preflop and then another on the flop but the fact the turn and river both favour that to such a precise degree leaves little reasonable doubt in my mind and even less excuses for both that player and yourself! Just yet another case of a villains 5% chance of winning on the flop providing him with consective outs in the deck, literally against all the odds. My odds of winning on that flop vs his?!

As for what I do in my spare time, I believe it's still just about a free world with free will, so I can spend it however I like, no? I'm not losing any money and so it proves to be quite amusing to me, the lengths some entities will go to to make a quick buck.

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Ok. Why would you think I would fold the remaining 25% of my stack when I 4 bet you pre flop, did you imagine I had 23os vs your 34os? Honestly, what did you put me on? You were going to bluff me off with only 20% equity of the pot? You got some studying to do brother. 

Hope it was worth it for you, certainly gave me a laugh. Did you get your ticket in the end, or try a horrendous bluff on somebody else and lose?

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@OliD wrote:

And surely no one who goes to the length of actually wanting to play poker would chase a hand which 95 times in 100 he will lose? 


Me for one :) I've made much, much worse calls after a few glasses of wine :)

Until you get to a certain stake, you really have to expect this kind of play - and even at higher stakes it can happen as well of course :)

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@OliD After many months weeks days hours  actually about 30 seconds study, I've come up with an ingenious plan for you, seeing as you're so certain the worst hand preflop will always win. Start folding your premium hands, you know they won't win. With a bit of patience and practice you too can start calling 4 bets with such monsters as 43o, 62o, 85o, even daring to risk as high as T4o occasionally. Seeing as all these hands always win against bigger trash you should soon be making even more money like the average rec, enough to climb the stakes and soon playing such daring hands as 98s or even a pair of sixes or sevens. Ingenious eh? 🤣

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@PRO8L3M wrote:

It was me.

Called on the flop to bluff you on later streets. Sorry for badbeat. Take care. Peace.


@PRO8L3M :laugh: I forgot that a lot of people use the bluff tactic. 

@OliD it really is better to forget about it sometimes, for the good of mind. Especially at low stakes. I remember that I did a similar procedure many times without anything in my hand - representing KK, AA or SET is sometimes a good tactic - Here comes the question whether risking the entire stack with top pair QQ is the right game here - ie. re-shove in the turn by villian. :wonder:  

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Why didn't I think of that? How clever you are. Because I only EVER play top premium hands. Thats right, I spend my sessions waiting for the top 4 hands, because that's really exciting, and constantly play them like I might actually be ahead, so stupid of me. I would never play a hand that my opponent wouldn't expect me to. Trapping is truly an unfamiliar concept to me, I never EVER do that, that defeats the point of the game doesn't it. Silly me. And I would never ever play un/suited connectors or any pp other than AA. I'm THAT transparent. 

sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and really not the highest form of intelligence but I thought I'd try and match you like for like. ✌️

34o at any point in that hand is pure Bozo Donk. I not surprised you disagree.

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@OliD it sucks when your opponent hits his low equity but ask yourself: do you want to have bad players at your table that sometimes push buttons and try to 'throw' away their chips with hands like 34o or top tier players that spend all day studying best spots and use huds to get an advantage against their opponents?!

If it's the 1st one than welcome to Unibet where people sometimes do the unthinkable and sometimes get there(like the math says )... just try to play your A-game and put enough volume and for sure you'll have good results on Unibet :cash: 

PS. your hand had 45% equity preflop, 81% equity on the flop, 81% equity on the turn and the unlucky river that made you lose the hand(which the math says it 'should' happen around 1 in 5 hands)... you should play in your free time with odds calculator tools like this one(https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem) to understand better some spots- especially multi way pots- and GLGL at the tables!

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@BillyR23 wrote:

@OliD it sucks when your opponent hits his low equity but ask yourself: do you want to have bad players at your table that sometimes push buttons and try to 'throw' away their chips with hands like 34o or top tier players that spend all day studying best spots and use huds to get an advantage against their opponents?!

If it's the 1st one than welcome to Unibet where people sometimes do the unthinkable and sometimes get there(like the math says )... just try to play your A-game and put enough volume and for sure you'll have good results on Unibet :cash: 

PS. your hand had 45% equity preflop, 81% equity on the flop, 81% equity on the turn and the unlucky river that made you lose the hand(which the math says it 'should' happen around 1 in 5 hands)... you should play in your free time with odds calculator tools like this one(https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-tools/odds-calculator/texas-holdem) to understand better some spots- especially multi way pots- and GLGL at the tables!


I believe he is not a newbie and knows how to play. But he got some bad experience in poker and casino (he filled up these two topics w bs), and blaming the software/unibet. Missing the right, healthy mindset only. 

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@OliD You should consider making a blog with all abnormal situations you encounter. I'd read it during my morning coffee.

On a serious note consider taking a break or work on your mental game, the earlier the better, poker can drive you nuts sometimes.

 

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@OliD wrote:

Why didn't I think of that? How clever you are. 

Thankyou, I'm just trying to help.

Because I only EVER play top premium hands.Thats right, I spend my sessions waiting for the top 4 hands, because that's really exciting, and constantly play them like I might actually be ahead, so stupid of me. I would never play a hand that my opponent wouldn't expect me to.

AQs is not a top four hand, this might be a leak in your game.

Trapping is truly an unfamiliar concept to me, I never EVER do that, that defeats the point of the game doesn't it. Silly me. And I would never ever play un/suited connectors or any pp other than AA. I'm THAT transparent. 

That's good, now you're getting the hang of it.

 

sarcasm is the lowest form of wit and really not the highest form of intelligence but I thought I'd try and match you like for like. ✌️

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34o at any point in that hand is pure Bozo Donk. I not surprised you disagree.

34o might be considered the perfect hand to trap a top 4 hand only player, it worked in this case so a 100% success rate from an admittedly small sample size. If you could post some more samples, say 2 or 3 where you've been beaten by trash hands we may be able to get a slightly more definitive percentage rate and start working more on more on fixing those leaks.

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Obv aqh is not top 4 hands, I was reflecting your own sarcasm, so please refrain from rubbishing a fair chance of winning whilst devoting yourself to supporting such a horrendous play, and odds. How can you trap a player when you are are allin already. 34os allin on flop vs a hand with 82% equity is actually more akin to jumping off a cliff rather than setting a cunnning trap. Yeah you might survive the fall but why do it, because you've have a glass of vino or two, as stubbe suggests? Anyways trapping would involve betting action before and after your victims bet? You can't bet again if your already allin, with 5% odds of winning. Him being allin on the flop and consecutively hitting 2 of the only 6 outs he could possibly win with, on both subsequent streets might seem rational to you, but to me and no doubt others who wouldn't wish to admit it here, it doesn't. Neither does you narrative that you are the genius and everyone else who dares say something you disagree with is in some way stupid or ill educated. 

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Not blaming anyone Cris, I could have played some aforementioned hands better and some worse but that fact doesn't support frequency of crazy bull❤️♥️❤️ run outs you see here. Quite why that happens is for the site's diminishing base to establish. Anyway, ultimately it simply adds to the fun. That is until your are teamed up on by the usual suspects for poking your head above the parapet occasionally to make some genuine observations - not to be confused with putting your hand up in class saying "teacher I just don't understand."

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