Guidelines update

[RayL]

After careful consideration, we, the Unibet Community team, have decided that going forward all political debates or talks are to be limited to within the context of a bet market offered on Unibet. We're limiting the conversation around politics exclusively to the betting aspect, as we feel there are plenty of platforms around the internet where politics can be discussed in all shapes and sizes, both with people of same and different opinions.
Politics in 2020 is a pretty heated subject and you generally hear about it a lot through the media, but Unibet has always been about betting, gaming, poker and sports - the Unibet Community needs to stay at the core of that. 
So while we always encourage communication and exchange of opinions, this decision means that effective of today, we kindly ask that no more threads around political subjects are to be posted in the off-topic section. You're welcome to discuss any political bet as we do offer those, but please do be aware that they must be analytical towards the betting angle. 

We'd like to thank everyone who contributed to any political thread around the 2016 US election or since then up until today, we definitely appreciate the passion and diverse opinions that were shared in the quite popular threads - the wish and willingness to share is a great sign of a strong-minded community 

Quite a bit of consideration has gone into this and the decision to please ask you not to talk about a certain topic of discussion hasn't come easy, but if you have any questions or comments about this change, feel free to let us know below.

/The Unibet Community Team

[Livertool]

I really think you should reconsider, makes no sense for many reasons. Just to mention few:

- Freedom of speech in general. Now this, what is next? Lots of threads in off topic (cause they are off topic) that don't have writings of gambling, sports, poker etc...

-Like said you offer bets to politics. Now, how can you place bets on them if you are not allowed to discuss and share different povs of state of world which can give you much better view on what to bet rather someone posting few words on some specific bet. I mean all sports make people arque so does that mean members can't do that either soon but only discuss on specific bet?

-Lack of action in community. There ain't so many active threads/members here so you really want to reduce number more? Or you think that if you stop members writing something that they are interested, they start to write more something else acceptable? That may be the case or then they might fade away all together so would it be better if community would end up just livechat2 with competitions? 

-How do you define what is political post? Can i send picture/gif/video of politician? Can i mention Trump/Niinistö/Mandela in post? Cmon, it is ridicilous if you have to think things mentiones before posting.

-Most of that talk has been quite well hidden in off topic. You don't accidently see them in front page or something, so who ever hurt his/her feelings over them must really be somekind of masochist for entering thread that don't interest him/her. I mean there are few threads that i don't prefer to read so i just don't. Piece of cake :)

But i am just some member, don't take my word for it and good luck on you path if this is how you want to roll. Like you said there is lot better places to talk politics in net. As there is with sports, poker, casinos. So rather than elimiting some areas of discussion, i would try to get members write more about other stuff that is more pleasent to unibet but maybe that is just me.

[pinki]

@Livertool @RayL 

I think it is enough that the content in some threads are available after logging in [min rank 10] and for a direct request for access. This is the rule they apply on one fishing forum where i'm 😀 As a consequence there are interested persons and the exchange of views is even very sharp there - but the administrator's tolerance is very high there. I have accused the creator of this forum many times of his 'no wisdom' and I still have no ban🤣 Conversations are constructive and mostly cultural.

I think this is a better way than taking away discussion options, even on topics unrelated to forum topics❤️ 

my vote for the current solution is on - NO.  I like exchanging sentences with @Livertool @psrquack @Rushbie @WuDu and others.  As @Livertool  said - freedom of speech👍

 

[AndreiBN]

This is a debate that could go on forever , having arguments for and from both sides. In my opinion , i'm quite ok with the fact that a line has been drawn. I've read in the past months some comments which were way out of line , especially on a betting forum like this.

A lot of talk about "freedom of speech" has been brought , but you can't just use this phrase to enable to write whatever you want to. Or if you do , you should be responsable for your actions. It's like going in the middle of a crowd and make sexiest , racist , homofobic , etc. comments , as part of "freedom of spech" , and expect people to be ok with this. You can do that , but that crowd will reject you and won't have anything to do with you anymore. It's the same thing here. 

You can not expect me to be ok in the " freedom of speech" name , to read all kinds of offensive , rasist , etc. posts. And my guess is that's exactly why this line has been drawn. Because it just gives negative vibes and it's becoming a toxic enviroment to be in. It's so damn easy hide behind a keybord and troll , offend and be an as*hole these days . 

Im pretty sure nobody will get banned for a political GIF , or things like this in here, but my guess is that this guideline update was intended more to point out that being nice and respectful is still something that is appreciated. 

And the lack of activity on this forum , from my point of view , was caused exactely by rude and offensive comments towards other community members ( most of the time simply out of the blue ) and most people don't wanna engage into discussions over the internet with people like this. 

Anyways , im sure all the off topics threads will still be there and discussions will still be promoted , but i still belive we can have any conversations of any topic without feeling superiors , without being rude , without offending , and able to tolerate diversity.

[cris1285]

@WuDu is banned for this kind of comments or gifs? @RayL @ReCorpH 

[Livertool]

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@AndreiBN wrote:

 

A lot of talk about "freedom of speech" has been brought , but you can't just use this phrase to enable to write whatever you want to. Or if you do , you should be responsable for your actions. It's like going in the middle of a crowd and make sexiest , racist , homofobic , etc. comments , as part of "freedom of spech" , and expect people to be ok with this. You can do that , but that crowd will reject you and won't have anything to do with you anymore. It's the same thing here. 

You can not expect me to be ok in the " freedom of speech" name , to read all kinds of offensive , rasist , etc. posts. And my guess is that's exactly why this line has been drawn. Because it just gives negative vibes and it's becoming a toxic enviroment to be in. It's so damn easy hide behind a keybord and troll , offend and be an as*hole these days . 

Im pretty sure nobody will get banned for a political GIF , or things like this in here, but my guess is that this guideline update was intended more to point out that being nice and respectful is still something that is appreciated. 

 

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Well that is the thing right there what it isn't. At least for most parts as conversations have been off topic and not spread in every topic. So if that kind of example is used, to me it is totally reversed like entering conversation of some group and then asking it to bet shot down cause they don't like what they are hearing. And sure there is little bit of trolling too in off topic so read between the lines. If someone writes totally absurd claim then opposite side may troll and throw equally absurd claim back, so everything must not be taken so seriously.

It is totally fine to draw lines (which they've done with notes and ban, 2 bans if i am correct which is really low amount) but totally different thing to ban certain areas of discussion.

And like we have seen in poker talk, things can heat up there even worse so it is not about any specific topic that makes peeps behave badly.

And no matter what, people are different. To me to be too nice and kiss a$$ is just unnatural and fake. I understand that some people are like that but that don't mean everyone has to be, right? Where is the diversity in that? If i want to say something nice then i have to really mean it and not throw just " i luv you" all around. Maybe it is finnish thing, feel free to try it. I mean you can say "i luv" you with many different ways and tones but try to say "minä rakastan sinua" and you almost have to be really angry to get those words out of your mouth :laugh:

So for adult thing to for me would be asking to tone it down little bit instead of telling members what to write.

[pinki]

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@AndreiBN wrote:

A lot of talk about "freedom of speech" has been brought , but you can't just use this phrase to enable to write whatever you want to. Or if you do , you should be responsable for your actions. It's like going in the middle of a crowd and make sexiest , racist , homofobic , etc. comments , as part of "freedom of spech" , and expect people to be ok with this. You can do that , but that crowd will reject you and won't have anything to do with you anymore. It's the same thing here. 

 

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@AndreiBN that's why I wrote that such threads should be closed to a wider audience and search engines. you can treat many of my posts in one thread as - sexiest , racist , homofobic. They have nothing to do with it - and I can prove it and the purpose of my statements is different.  

It's a decision for Unibet and whether there is a will to give a small group of users to discuss certain things within their forum - and it is interesting because exchanges take place between users of different countries. 

For example,I am not interested in discussing with random Finns or my 100 countrymen - I prefer exchanging sentences with @Livertool @WuDu about the Second World War or neo-marxism - I may disagree with them in many topics (propably vice-versa) but I like/respect them(although I don't know them personally) and prefer to spend 15 minutes for some posts. 

solution: allow with appropriate restrictions or forbid. There is a difference between a discussion on YT/facebook and here - and applying these principles. Unibet is not a platform for journalism and television - and even such a 'ban' is not a form of censorship but a business activity. So we can only count on good will:happy:

ps. 

[Rushbie]

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@Livertool wrote

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So for adult thing to for me would be asking to tone it down little bit instead of telling members what to write.

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As once said by one staffmember, technically ub owns the content written here. (Request account removal, it stays) The reason why you cant delete things cause they are verbal money in the search engines in a form of hits. IMO it means that ub owns the people writing sht. 

Wrong.

Whenever this goes to more sinister lenghts in the future, i wish all good to lines chosen.

Im off from that. Pisses me off too much on a principle level.

[Wence]

I have a big problem withdrawals my money from unibet and i need help  am new to the platform and i have up to $17 stuck in there 

Am from Nigeria